Blogtalk Downunder
   May 19-22, Sydney

21/5/2005

Mark’s presentation

Filed under: General — mspecht @ 11:40 am

A very interesting presentation, it certainly has generated a lot of interesting comments and ideas from the group. Just the sort of thing you want from a speaker get us all thinking and make us step out of our “comfort zone”.

6 Comments

  1. Absolutely. As Mark says, he has a different perspective, and I’m sure that he expects these types of reactions to his stance.

    I don’t disagree with his statements on the *potentially* pernicious nature of comments, but it’s just that, a potential, and not the rule. Of course I may feel differently if I experienced very high traffic levels.

    IMHO Mark is taking the long view, and that’s really valuable — it’s important not to lose sight of bigger issues, and just get stuck in the narrow view of status and infamy, the Scobles, Winers, and political blogs etc.

    My main objection was the exclusionary stance on the comment-based vs. ‘individual space’ models.

    Until technology allows us to take on the full ownership and control of all of our intellectual output online, and enables the type of dynamic, closely threaded discussions spanning individual blogs, I just don’t think that we should shut down the current low-tech…

    Comment by marc — 21/5/2005 @ 12:27 pm

  2. Is it ironic to comment on this post? :)

    Many of my favourite blogs do not allow comments or only allow typekey authorised comments, which is almost the same as having no comments. It’s not something I’ve really thought about too much until now. On my own blog, I took the comments out because I wanted the page to function more as a personal professional development blog and online portfolio. Comments I got in the past like “I totally agree” detracted from that aim a little, I think.

    That said, I do like trackbacks, particularly with a little extract from the post. If I do read comments, I click on the author’s URL to see more information about them anyway, so if people use trackbacks and post on their own site, I can see the comment in context of what else they have written about.

    Comment by Fiona — 21/5/2005 @ 12:54 pm

  3. Derek Powazek ahs written about this at length in ‘Design for Community’: http://designforcommunity.com/

    He argues for extensive ‘barriers’ to comments (i.e. you have to do some serious hoop jumping) and clearly (and effectively) expressed policies, resulting in better quality comments as well as less flame / spam.

    Having said that he doesn’t have comments on his own blog: http://powazek.com :D

    Comment by James — 21/5/2005 @ 1:18 pm

  4. i think comments and trackbacks are a personal decision. It depends a lot on the type of blog. I think winer’s view -everyone should have a blog - has some validity but for most of us its great to get thoughtful comments and this outweighs the various hassles and dangers

    Comment by trevor cook — 21/5/2005 @ 3:42 pm

  5. I talked some more to Mark about his comments comments. [Great how the invited guests mingled with the plebs eh??]

    There is a lot more background than he gave in his talk and the Q&A afterwards. Partly to do with the trashing of blogs in an organised way by people who want to. At first I had little idea of what he was talking about. But now I think I do. There are a number of stories on how communities have been destroyed. Clay Shirky mentions this a little in his article on “groups being their own worst enemy”. The ‘Well’ and various online groups have had problems. In some niche areas in NZ and two lists based in the US I have liked have been rendered useless by those with a barrow to push. But if you exclude them, the cry foul and claim they are being muzzled and censored. (Which they are) I guess certain higher profile blogs/blog writers just don’t need the agro comments can bring. A view I am sympathetic with.

    Comment by Derek (subscribed to comments) — 22/5/2005 @ 2:04 pm

  6. Anyone who is monitoring this topic from the Blogwalk: would you be willing to let Mark Bernstein know that for details on dinner tonight, he can check his email or his hotel messages? Tell him “how about dinner with Julianne and her Australian host family,a and we can pick you up from the hotel or anywhere else downtown, sevenish?”

    Apologies for cluttering the bandwidth, but my vision of this conference is of everyone checking their mobile devices all the time - am I wrong? *laughs*

    Comment by Julianne Chatelain — 22/5/2005 @ 3:22 pm

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