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Comments on: Mark’s presentation http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141 19 - 21 May 2005 - Emergent Conversations Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:21:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Julianne Chatelain http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-233 Julianne Chatelain Sun, 22 May 2005 04:22:33 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-233 Anyone who is monitoring this topic from the Blogwalk: would you be willing to let Mark Bernstein know that for details on dinner tonight, he can check his email or his hotel messages? Tell him "how about dinner with Julianne and her Australian host family,a and we can pick you up from the hotel or anywhere else downtown, sevenish?" Apologies for cluttering the bandwidth, but my vision of this conference is of everyone checking their mobile devices all the time - am I wrong? *laughs* Anyone who is monitoring this topic from the Blogwalk: would you be willing to let Mark Bernstein know that for details on dinner tonight, he can check his email or his hotel messages? Tell him “how about dinner with Julianne and her Australian host family,a and we can pick you up from the hotel or anywhere else downtown, sevenish?”

Apologies for cluttering the bandwidth, but my vision of this conference is of everyone checking their mobile devices all the time - am I wrong? *laughs*

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By: Derek http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-232 Derek Sun, 22 May 2005 03:04:23 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-232 I talked some more to Mark about his comments comments. [Great how the invited guests mingled with the plebs eh??] There is a lot more background than he gave in his talk and the Q&A afterwards. Partly to do with the trashing of blogs in an organised way by people who want to. At first I had little idea of what he was talking about. But now I think I do. There are a number of stories on how communities have been destroyed. Clay Shirky mentions this a little in his article on "groups being their own worst enemy". The 'Well' and various online groups have had problems. In some niche areas in NZ and two lists based in the US I have liked have been rendered useless by those with a barrow to push. But if you exclude them, the cry foul and claim they are being muzzled and censored. (Which they are) I guess certain higher profile blogs/blog writers just don't need the agro comments can bring. A view I am sympathetic with. I talked some more to Mark about his comments comments. [Great how the invited guests mingled with the plebs eh??]

There is a lot more background than he gave in his talk and the Q&A afterwards. Partly to do with the trashing of blogs in an organised way by people who want to. At first I had little idea of what he was talking about. But now I think I do. There are a number of stories on how communities have been destroyed. Clay Shirky mentions this a little in his article on “groups being their own worst enemy”. The ‘Well’ and various online groups have had problems. In some niche areas in NZ and two lists based in the US I have liked have been rendered useless by those with a barrow to push. But if you exclude them, the cry foul and claim they are being muzzled and censored. (Which they are) I guess certain higher profile blogs/blog writers just don’t need the agro comments can bring. A view I am sympathetic with.

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By: trevor cook http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-226 trevor cook Sat, 21 May 2005 04:42:29 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-226 i think comments and trackbacks are a personal decision. It depends a lot on the type of blog. I think winer's view -everyone should have a blog - has some validity but for most of us its great to get thoughtful comments and this outweighs the various hassles and dangers i think comments and trackbacks are a personal decision. It depends a lot on the type of blog. I think winer’s view -everyone should have a blog - has some validity but for most of us its great to get thoughtful comments and this outweighs the various hassles and dangers

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By: James http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-224 James Sat, 21 May 2005 02:18:35 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-224 Derek Powazek ahs written about this at length in 'Design for Community': http://designforcommunity.com/ He argues for extensive 'barriers' to comments (i.e. you have to do some serious hoop jumping) and clearly (and effectively) expressed policies, resulting in better quality comments as well as less flame / spam. Having said that he doesn't have comments on his own blog: http://powazek.com :D Derek Powazek ahs written about this at length in ‘Design for Community’: http://designforcommunity.com/

He argues for extensive ‘barriers’ to comments (i.e. you have to do some serious hoop jumping) and clearly (and effectively) expressed policies, resulting in better quality comments as well as less flame / spam.

Having said that he doesn’t have comments on his own blog: http://powazek.com :D

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By: Fiona http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-223 Fiona Sat, 21 May 2005 01:54:23 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-223 Is it ironic to comment on this post? :) Many of my favourite blogs do not allow comments or only allow typekey authorised comments, which is almost the same as having no comments. It's not something I've really thought about too much until now. On my own blog, I took the comments out because I wanted the page to function more as a personal professional development blog and online portfolio. Comments I got in the past like "I totally agree" detracted from that aim a little, I think. That said, I do like trackbacks, particularly with a little extract from the post. If I do read comments, I click on the author's URL to see more information about them anyway, so if people use trackbacks and post on their own site, I can see the comment in context of what else they have written about. Is it ironic to comment on this post? :)

Many of my favourite blogs do not allow comments or only allow typekey authorised comments, which is almost the same as having no comments. It’s not something I’ve really thought about too much until now. On my own blog, I took the comments out because I wanted the page to function more as a personal professional development blog and online portfolio. Comments I got in the past like “I totally agree” detracted from that aim a little, I think.

That said, I do like trackbacks, particularly with a little extract from the post. If I do read comments, I click on the author’s URL to see more information about them anyway, so if people use trackbacks and post on their own site, I can see the comment in context of what else they have written about.

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By: marc http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141&cpage=1#comment-221 marc Sat, 21 May 2005 01:27:40 +0000 http://incsub.org/blogtalk/?p=141#comment-221 Absolutely. As Mark says, he has a different perspective, and I'm sure that he expects these types of reactions to his stance. I don't disagree with his statements on the *potentially* pernicious nature of comments, but it's just that, a potential, and <b>not</b> the rule. Of course I may feel differently if I experienced very high traffic levels. IMHO Mark is taking the long view, and that's really valuable -- it's important not to lose sight of bigger issues, and just get stuck in the narrow view of status and infamy, the Scobles, Winers, and political blogs etc. My main objection was the exclusionary stance on the comment-based vs. 'individual space' models. Until technology allows us to take on the full ownership and control of all of our intellectual output online, and enables the type of dynamic, closely threaded discussions spanning individual blogs, I just don't think that we should shut down the current low-tech... Absolutely. As Mark says, he has a different perspective, and I’m sure that he expects these types of reactions to his stance.

I don’t disagree with his statements on the *potentially* pernicious nature of comments, but it’s just that, a potential, and not the rule. Of course I may feel differently if I experienced very high traffic levels.

IMHO Mark is taking the long view, and that’s really valuable — it’s important not to lose sight of bigger issues, and just get stuck in the narrow view of status and infamy, the Scobles, Winers, and political blogs etc.

My main objection was the exclusionary stance on the comment-based vs. ‘individual space’ models.

Until technology allows us to take on the full ownership and control of all of our intellectual output online, and enables the type of dynamic, closely threaded discussions spanning individual blogs, I just don’t think that we should shut down the current low-tech…

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