Comments on: The unbearable arrogance of just about everyone http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:15:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Jose Rodriguez http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19957 Jose Rodriguez Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:57:11 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19957 I started blogging through the wordpress.com site and just recently came over to edublogs for my classroom blog. I enjoyed listening to your talk with Alice Mercer. It is difficult to get validation as a teacher, thanks for your work in education I started blogging through the wordpress.com site and just recently came over to edublogs for my classroom blog. I enjoyed listening to your talk with Alice Mercer. It is difficult to get validation as a teacher, thanks for your work in education

]]> By: Chris L http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19956 Chris L Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:42:49 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19956 Given that Stephen's fingers are so heavily on the scale towards one of the things you are annoyed about-- namely that teachers matter less and less-- and there's not much balanced about it. But I would have liked to see him and any number of others there as well. Fortunately the conversations that matter-- the ones that have impact-- are already happening all around us. The dog and pony shows where serious folks sit down to have serious thoughts on serious issues have high visibility and negligible effect. Given that Stephen’s fingers are so heavily on the scale towards one of the things you are annoyed about– namely that teachers matter less and less– and there’s not much balanced about it.

But I would have liked to see him and any number of others there as well. Fortunately the conversations that matter– the ones that have impact– are already happening all around us. The dog and pony shows where serious folks sit down to have serious thoughts on serious issues have high visibility and negligible effect.

]]> By: James http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19924 James Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:24:39 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19924 You could call it, um, balanced? You could call it, um, balanced?

]]> By: Chris L http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19919 Chris L Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:37:23 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19919 So, "Obviously this taps into a long running annoyance I’ve had with people going on about teachers mattering less, and people being able to just learn on there own" but you kvetch about the lack of a contribution from Stephen Downes? Schizophrenia much? :) So, “Obviously this taps into a long running annoyance I’ve had with people going on about teachers mattering less, and people being able to just learn on there own” but you kvetch about the lack of a contribution from Stephen Downes? Schizophrenia much? :)

]]> By: Glenn Sykes http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19739 Glenn Sykes Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:02:46 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19739 Holy snappers, refreshing to hear the dorky banter you guys get up to. I have to run a short PD on reporting on "ICT for creating" using the VELS. It got avoided like the plague last reporting season. It is cluster wide and I have nuts and bolts of what it is going to be about and I am going to try and incorporate blowing bubbles into some part of the session. It’s a metaphor, and hey who doesn’t like bubbles. Any ideas on the future of ICT that I should be telling the poor old buggers about, all ready got some good ideas of this discussion? Holy snappers, refreshing to hear the dorky banter you guys get up to. I have to run a short PD on reporting on “ICT for creating” using the VELS. It got avoided like the plague last reporting season. It is cluster wide and I have nuts and bolts of what it is going to be about and I am going to try and incorporate blowing bubbles into some part of the session. It’s a metaphor, and hey who doesn’t like bubbles. Any ideas on the future of ICT that I should be telling the poor old buggers about, all ready got some good ideas of this discussion?

]]> By: Adrian http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19685 Adrian Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:55:51 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19685 hey James and Will, come to Deakin for coffee in my studio during that free lunch. cheers Ade hey James and Will, come to Deakin for coffee in my studio during that free lunch.
cheers Ade

]]> By: A. Mercer http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19662 A. Mercer Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:30:02 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19662 Matt, I would say that I know better. Certainly better than a room full of suits and politicos who have not taught a child to read. I don't know it all, but when someone posts something that says the key skills a "learning facilitator" needs to be taught are how to foster collaboration, excuse me if I ask how does that qualify someone to teach a child to read. That's not whining, it's called asked a pointed question. See Matt, I'm not saying it's all good, I just think identifying teacher training programs as the problems is like blaming mother's milk for the axe murderer being a bad seed. People have mistaken correlation for causation. Last I remember, I spent at least half my class sessions in Elementary Education doing jigsaws, small group work, and other methods of collaborative work with my peers. This was done in the expectation that I would do this in my classroom when I got out. My program taught me collaboration, so if I'm running my class another way, it's not because of my teacher prep program, just like the axe murderer may have been breast fed, but he became an axe murderer because of other inputs in his life experience, not because of mother's milk. Matt,
I would say that I know better. Certainly better than a room full of suits and politicos who have not taught a child to read. I don’t know it all, but when someone posts something that says the key skills a “learning facilitator” needs to be taught are how to foster collaboration, excuse me if I ask how does that qualify someone to teach a child to read. That’s not whining, it’s called asked a pointed question.

See Matt, I’m not saying it’s all good, I just think identifying teacher training programs as the problems is like blaming mother’s milk for the axe murderer being a bad seed. People have mistaken correlation for causation. Last I remember, I spent at least half my class sessions in Elementary Education doing jigsaws, small group work, and other methods of collaborative work with my peers. This was done in the expectation that I would do this in my classroom when I got out. My program taught me collaboration, so if I’m running my class another way, it’s not because of my teacher prep program, just like the axe murderer may have been breast fed, but he became an axe murderer because of other inputs in his life experience, not because of mother’s milk.

]]> By: Matt http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19651 Matt Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:02:12 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19651 I see a lot of BS and whining in the post as well as comments. One thing I would agree on is that education is about certification. This is how the world works and hence the education: To get a job you need a degree (or certification) for which you need to pass exam(s) for which you need to learn (whatever). To learn, you will now do whatever you can: get tutoring, buy books, blah, blah, blah. Rest is all crap. So teachers or non-teachers, if you think you know better, then you probably don't at all. I see a lot of BS and whining in the post as well as comments. One thing I would agree on is that education is about certification.
This is how the world works and hence the education:
To get a job you need a degree (or certification) for which you need to pass exam(s) for which you need to learn (whatever). To learn, you will now do whatever you can: get tutoring, buy books, blah, blah, blah. Rest is all crap.
So teachers or non-teachers, if you think you know better, then you probably don’t at all.

]]> By: Weblogg-ed » “Trapped Between Stories” http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19608 Weblogg-ed » “Trapped Between Stories” Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49:47 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19608 [...] talked about at the Institute for the Future workshop I wrote about earlier that, not surprisingly, raised some hackles in some parts. The discussion centered on the “Map of Future Forces Affecting Education” that they created [...] [...] talked about at the Institute for the Future workshop I wrote about earlier that, not surprisingly, raised some hackles in some parts. The discussion centered on the “Map of Future Forces Affecting Education” that they created [...]

]]> By: John Calvert http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone/comment-page-1#comment-19586 John Calvert Fri, 17 Aug 2007 02:45:31 +0000 http://incsub.org/blog/2007/the-unbearable-arrogance-of-just-about-everyone#comment-19586 Hi James, I can understand the vitriol. Surely, teachers are tired of non-teachers telling them how to teach. @ Will, the post tweaked me too. To be honest, I wasn't affected by the message - but I was so bothered by the messengers that I Googled the participants. I don't doubt that there were teachers present (you were there...), but it seemed that they were the minority based on the names I saw. Also of note: there was no student representation. What I read on the photographed graphic organizers was compelling. It's frustrating because these changes can't happen in today's schools and it has VERY little to do with the teachers (or students.) Public education is being held hostage by policies created by people outside of teaching. My teaching program didn’t prepare me for the technologies of today, but it did give me a solid foundation of pedagogy. It celebrated many of the virtues that Will evangelizes. Unfortunately, the current climate does not support this vision, it supports test prep. It's disparaging. Hi James,

I can understand the vitriol. Surely, teachers are tired of non-teachers telling them how to teach.

@ Will, the post tweaked me too. To be honest, I wasn’t affected by the message – but I was so bothered by the messengers that I Googled the participants. I don’t doubt that there were teachers present (you were there…), but it seemed that they were the minority based on the names I saw. Also of note: there was no student representation.

What I read on the photographed graphic organizers was compelling. It’s frustrating because these changes can’t happen in today’s schools and it has VERY little to do with the teachers (or students.) Public education is being held hostage by policies created by people outside of teaching.

My teaching program didn’t prepare me for the technologies of today, but it did give me a solid foundation of pedagogy. It celebrated many of the virtues that Will evangelizes. Unfortunately, the current climate does not support this vision, it supports test prep. It’s disparaging.

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