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		<title>By: RodeWorks &#187; Online Learning System</title>
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		<dc:creator>RodeWorks &#187; Online Learning System</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blog.blackforestnz.net &#187; incorporated subversion - social software, online education and james farmer » Blog Archive » Un-Managing Learning Management Systems - A possible future for online learning</title>
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		<dc:creator>blog.blackforestnz.net &#187; incorporated subversion - social software, online education and james farmer » Blog Archive » Un-Managing Learning Management Systems - A possible future for online learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 01:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
		<link>http://incsub.org/blog/2005/un-manageing-learning-management-systems-a-possible-future-for-online-learning/comment-page-1#comment-1186</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;incorporated subversion » Un-Managing Learning Management Systems - A possible future for online learning&lt;/strong&gt;


Two things - first lets not get overhung up on the technology - the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system - but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we ...&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: crap flooding, 3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
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<p>Two things &#8211; first lets not get overhung up on the technology &#8211; the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system &#8211; but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we &#8230;<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: crap flooding, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --></p>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
		<link>http://incsub.org/blog/2005/un-manageing-learning-management-systems-a-possible-future-for-online-learning/comment-page-1#comment-1185</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2005 16:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;incorporated subversion » Un-Managing Learning Management Systems - A possible future for online learning&lt;/strong&gt;


Two things - first lets not get overhung up on th technology - the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system - but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we n...&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
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<p>Two things &#8211; first lets not get overhung up on th technology &#8211; the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system &#8211; but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we n&#8230;<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --></p>
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		<title>By: RodeWorks &#187; Thoughts on Learning Management Systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>RodeWorks &#187; Thoughts on Learning Management Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2005 13:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ticles/lms.htm .  At incorporated subversion they have another perspective on the topic at http://incsub.org/blog/?p=202.  Both are great articles and well worth checking out. 	In the end there are plenty o [...]&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ticles/lms.htm .  At incorporated subversion they have another perspective on the topic at <a href="http://incsub.org/blog/?p=202" rel="nofollow" >http://incsub.org/blog/?p=202</a>.  Both are great articles and well worth checking out. 	In the end there are plenty o [...]<!-- X-spaminator-strike: bad referer - spambot?, 3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --></p>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
		<link>http://incsub.org/blog/2005/un-manageing-learning-management-systems-a-possible-future-for-online-learning/comment-page-1#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell, The Wales-Wide Web</title>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missed this strand somewhere.....Scott&#039;s post has certainly struck a cord...

Two things - first lets not get overhung up on th technology - the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system - but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we need to extend the idea of blogging (in terms of individual expression and creativity - across the whole ed-tech range of applications.

Secondly - what I think is missing from Scott&#039;s ideas, although maybe is implicit - is not just that students may be enrolled on one or two or three modules and courses - but that they may combine a formal learning programme with self directed or supported learning from a wide range of different sources including the workplace (which once more may or may not be structured learning) or excternal web sites, bulletin boards, disucssion lists, video and other conferences etc.

This means we need to look again at tools which can allow leaners to yes aggregate their learning experince but at the same time reflect and structure those experiences - that is what will lay at the heart of any Personal Learning environment. Somewhere else Scott says this might look a bit like iTunes (and he makes the excellent throw away remark that we have overemphsised reliance on on-line environments - a future application should work on and off line).

I reckon this would be pretty different form anything we have got at the moment and would cots a lot to build. I reckon it should be a biggggg Open Source project - the firsts tage to agree the educational design. 

Anyone any ideas how to organise (not manage!) this?&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: url dashes, 1 --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missed this strand somewhere&#8230;..Scott&#8217;s post has certainly struck a cord&#8230;</p>
<p>Two things &#8211; first lets not get overhung up on th technology &#8211; the point is that the use of blogs does potentially add a little subversion in the system &#8211; but what we are really looking for is to free or subvert the whole system of e-learning and we need to extend the idea of blogging (in terms of individual expression and creativity &#8211; across the whole ed-tech range of applications.</p>
<p>Secondly &#8211; what I think is missing from Scott&#8217;s ideas, although maybe is implicit &#8211; is not just that students may be enrolled on one or two or three modules and courses &#8211; but that they may combine a formal learning programme with self directed or supported learning from a wide range of different sources including the workplace (which once more may or may not be structured learning) or excternal web sites, bulletin boards, disucssion lists, video and other conferences etc.</p>
<p>This means we need to look again at tools which can allow leaners to yes aggregate their learning experince but at the same time reflect and structure those experiences &#8211; that is what will lay at the heart of any Personal Learning environment. Somewhere else Scott says this might look a bit like iTunes (and he makes the excellent throw away remark that we have overemphsised reliance on on-line environments &#8211; a future application should work on and off line).</p>
<p>I reckon this would be pretty different form anything we have got at the moment and would cots a lot to build. I reckon it should be a biggggg Open Source project &#8211; the firsts tage to agree the educational design. </p>
<p>Anyone any ideas how to organise (not manage!) this?<!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: url dashes, 1 --></p>
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